QF32 Aviation Forum

This page is designed to present feedback from aviation professionals.   We’ll condense then publish the key feedback, thoughts and stories from like minded professionals.

Sunrise over the pond (Pacific) (Courtesy Richard de Crespigny)

“The Office” – a day in the life of a big jet pilot. Sunrise over the pond (Pacific) (Courtesy Richard de Crespigny)

Story # 2 – The Little Prince

Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry of the French Air Force just after a flight in a French Rafale

Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry of the French Air Force just after a flight in a French Rafale

Editor:  The letter below is from Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry.   Please also note that:

Quotes – Leadership

  • One must command from each what each can perform (p 31)

Quotes – Personality

  • It is much harder to judge yourself than to judge others (p 32)

Quotes –  Knowledge

  • The only things you learn are the things you tame (p 60)
  • People haven’t the time to learn anything. They buy things ready-made in stores. (p 60)

Quotes – Commitment & Love

  • If you want a friend, tame me (p 60)
  • It’s the time you spend on your rose that makes your rose so important (p 64)
  • You become responsible for what you’ve tamed. (p 64)

Quotes – Perception & Love

  • One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes (p 63)\
  • The stars are beautiful because of a flower – don’t you see .. (p 68)
  • Whether it’s a house or the stars of the desert, what makes them beautiful is invisible (p 68)
Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry of the French Air Force in his Mirage 2000

Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry
of the French Air Force in his Mirage 2000

Dear Captain de Crespigny,

Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry of the French Air Force after a flight with the French "Patrouille de France"

Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry
of the French Air Force after a flight with the French “Patrouille de France”

I’m very proud to have received an answer from you.  What a wonderful picture with your dad flying a spitfire ! What a marvellous example for these young people ! Congratulations !

I  dedicate  my photos to all young people of the world who want to become pilots or who want to realize their dream jobs.

As a pilot, we have the big honor and even the obligation to lead and mentor others in their chosen careers – to improve their work, perseverance, wisdom and hope!    And then, they will be able to accomplish their dreams.

Do you know how I could read your book QF32 ? I read it thanks to one of my friend, who is a A380 Captain for Air France. He asked me to keep his QF32 in my attaché case during a visiting of Orléans Air Force Base.  The place where our A400M aircraft is based. And naturally, at the end of the visiting, I forgot to give him back his book. Arriving back at home, I decided to start the reading of that book in order to improve my english.

So, I read your book QF32 totally by chance!   And in the process discovered a magnificent story of a real event that I had nearly never heard of!   And then, I wrote to you…

I wish the best to you, to your wife, to your dad and to your family. If you fly to Paris with your A380, I’ll be really pleased to meet you.

Yours truly.

Saint-Ex.

 

 

Story # 1 -Engine Failure!

 …. [QF32] taught me to seek out and to use everything I can learn about aviation, and enforced my point of view that no matter how small the plane is, checklists and teamwork are the best tools anyone can have.  (Santiago de Larminat)

(Coutesy Santiago de Larminat)

(Courtesy Santiago de Larminat)

My name is Santiago de Larminat and I am a medevac pilot from Argentina flying a Metroliner.  Eversince I noticed that QF32 was out I wanted to get my hands on it.

Luckily my sister Ines spent 3 months in Australia, between NSW and Queensland, working in farms and doing some diving in the corals. When she returned, she brought with her QF32 for me as a gift.

thank you very much again for writing QF32 with its lessons about leadership and motivation

I cannot thank her enough! It was a wonderful read, full of details we pilots like so much. I was particularly impressed about the Caribou, I am very fond of the bush piloting techniques, and i am sure you had a very enjoyable spell flying those airplanes.

Santiago de Larminat (Courtesy Santiago de Larminat)

The  real matter for why I’m writing is because the next day I finished your book, I was on duty flying from my base at Rio Grande (SAWE) to Aeroparque (SABE) – Buenos Aires -, and back. On the return leg we had to perform an in-flight engine shutdown due to a faulty FCU (best guess). I have had a couple of engine failures before in my 1,000 hr career, but this one was special because there were no suitable airports for several miles and we were well off-shore. If you have ever flown the QF18 route you’d notice there aren’t many suitable airports along the Patagonian coast line. Well, the same applies to a Metro, airports are separated in a 100nm radius.   Uh oh.   [Ed:   Rich understands Santiago, he flew Jumbos from Auckland (New Zealand) to Buenos Aires (Argentina).   The minimum air distance route often had the jet following the Antarctic coastline, up to 2,500 nautical miles (five hours flying time) from the nearest emergency airfield!]

(Coutesy Santiago de Larminat)

(Courtesy Santiago de Larminat)

Compounding our problems, there were strong 40kt headwinds blowing us further out to sea and away from South America.   Long story short, we ended up landing without anymore setbacks at Rio Grande with altitude to spare, although we had flown with an engine out for 54 minutes.

It was very important for me to have read and finished your book by that flight.  It certainly helped me and the rest of our crew during that time. We kept our composure and used all the management and CRM principles: everybody voiced their concerns, gratifications, opinions and corrections – we were 8 on board and 3 of us dealing with the emergency.

(Coutesy Santiago de Larminat)

After the flight… (Courtesy Santiago de Larminat)

As I explained, QF32 gave me great inspiration to be a better pilot.  It taught me to seek out and to use everything I can learn about aviation, and enforced my point of view that no matter how small the plane is, checklists and teamwork are the best tools anyone can have.

Well, that’s my significant story that I felt compelled to tell you.   I cannot stress enough – thank you very much again for writing QF32 with its lessons about leadership and motivation.

Yours sincerely,

Santiago de Larminat
Medevac pilot
Argentina

PS: I can’can’t wait for Big Jets!!!!

A380 Thrust Levers (Courtesy Richard de Crepsigny)

A380 Thrust Levers (Courtesy Richard de Crepsigny)

7 comments

  1. Dear Capt Richard,
    I wish to clarify a doubt.
    The A320 FCOM states that in normal cruise around Mach.77 in straight flight with AP engaged and fuel in the wing tanks distributed symmetrically the rudder trim should stay between 1 degree Right and 2.3 degree Left. I wish to know why it is different for Left and Right? Thanks.

    1. What a fascinating question Sabu! Perhaps:

      1. This could be true if both engines rotate counter clockwise (viewed from rear) What direction do your engines rotate? If the engines rotate in opposite directions (like the Airbus M400) then I imagine the trim would be centred on zero.
      2. Coriolis effect (I suspect too small in this case)
      3. Due to a non-symmetrical fin (to provide space to enclose the rudder actuators – I suspect this is not the case)

      Rich

    2. Thanks Capt.Richard. Both the engines rotate clockwise when viewed from the rear.

  2. DE SAINT-EXUPERY Hervé · · Reply

    Dear Captain Richard de Crespigny,

    I’m a french fighter pilot. Two days ago, the French Air Force lost 9 aviators in Spain during a Tactical Leadership Program. And, I finished reading QF32 the same day.

    Aviation is like a miracle even if it can be a tragedy.

    Aviation can be dreadful. But it is also the most marvellous human activity because it is simply a service offered to mankind. Transporting goods or people, presents or letters, hope or sadness, everywhere around the planet – Aviation is like a miracle even if it can be a tragedy.

    Your story is full of emotion. Your are lucky to have lived it and to go on with telling it again, 5 years later. Telling such a story brings pride.

    Aviation is also a question of feedback. It is a matter of team building. The Technical aspects are important to enable an aircraft to get airborne. But Human Factors are far more precious to achieve a successful mission. Your story expresses this secret so well. That is the reason why your story is a universal story. All that you explain in your book can be used by workers, bosses and leaders of all sorts at any levels in any industries. Congratulation Sir !

    In your words, we can see something coming from the philosophy of my great great uncle Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. As the fox says to the Little Prince: “The most important things cannot be seen with the eyes but with the heart”. That’s exactly what you did on 4 november 2010. All your experiences as a pilot reappeared through your heart and through the hearts of every person in your team. You all were successful to “check your six”! Congratulation to all of you, Sir!
    hhh

    You and your teams are heroes. We must speak about real heroes who tell humbly how they lived to people, to young people and to the world. We need such stories to set and to reach our goals, to keep our dreams alive. In your book, the key hero is probably your father. Let us remember why and how he permitted you to join the Australian Air Force. A quick visit of an Air Force Base deserves far more than some hundreds of dollars as a compensation. All military pilots know very well what types of secrets an Air Force training can bring, for the pilot’s whole life. Sometimes, exposing these secrets help us to prevent losing hundreds of lives located in a lost airplane. Congratulation to your father, Sir!

    Once again, let us all have a special thought for our 9 friends lost last Thursday in Spain, and for those who were badly injured, and for their suffering families and friends.

    Aviation can be cruel. But aviation can also be our proudest example and proof of human prosperity and evolution. You revealed it!

    Thank you, Sir.

    Yours sincerely.

    Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry
    French Air Force
    Written in Paris, on 29 january 2015.

    Editor: Please read “Story # 2 – The Little Prince” located at the top of this page.

    1. Dear Lieutenant-colonel Hervé de Saint-Exupéry,

      “It’s easy to see further when you are standing on the shoulders of giants”

      Thank you for your heartfelt letter. You have pulled my emotional strings with your words of pride and camaraderie for your colleagues, the military, the aviation industry, aviators and my Father.

      I am so very sorry for your and France’s tragic loss of the nine aviators in Spain last week. I share your pain. I wrote in my book of the sorrow that I felt when my friends were lost in the Air Force. The only positive legacy to rise from their passing is that they (like other explorers, adventurers, test pilots and astronauts) will be honoured for helping to develop, mould and shape aviation into the most remarkably efficient and resilient industry that we enjoy today.

      Neil Armstrong often said: “It’s easy to see further when you are standing on the shoulders of giants”. We will never forget your lost friends.

      I am pleased that you enjoyed reading QF32. My next book will continue to reflect my deep passion and respect that I feel for my profession, its ancestors and the current professionals who strive to keep flying save for the billions of the travelling public. I would like to borrow the wisdom from your great great uncle Antoine de Saint-Exupéry in his quote from 1933: “The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them.”

      The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry; Wind, Sand, and Stars; 1939)

      Peter de Crespigny, Spitfire Pilot, 2013

      I am touched that you cut through the 360 pages of text in my book to identify Peter de Crespigny, my father as the true hero. You are absolutely correct. It is the most honourable person who commits to a life in aviation, and then when their career is delayed, sidesteps to mentor others to help them negotiate their aviation careers. I will always love and respect my Father for his help and guidance. I proudly include images here of Dad flying a Spitfire from Goodwood aerodrome in 2013.

      Your words are correct: “Aviation is a miracle even if it can be a tragedy” It is the rare breed of people in aviation that I research or who I meet that make me feel proud and who spur me to continue writing. These bands of brothers and sisters have paved the way for us to enjoy aviation today.

      Aviation is a miracle even if it can be a tragedy

      You are part of this hallowed tribe. So “bravo” to you sir!
      (Painting: Jaak de Koninck)

      Save flying Hervé de Saint-Exupéry. I wish you and your colleagues in the French Air Force the best of health, flying and wonderful careers. We will remember your lost colleagues in Spain last week.

      Richard de Crespigny

      Editor 1: Please read “Story # 2 – The Little Prince” located at the top of this page.

      Editor 2: Painting above courtesy of Jaak De Koninck

  3. Julian Turecek · · Reply

    Richard,

    I read your inspirational book ‘QF32’ with amazement and awe, a demonstration of absolutely superb airmanship. Your comments about building the plane from the ground up, like a Cessna, resonated with me as someone who has just started learning to fly, in a Cessna!

    A quick question if I may. What flap setting did you utilise for the landing, and how did you get any flap response at all from the damaged left wing? Were the hydraulics to the flaps, esp on the left wing, still intact?

    With thanks.

    1. Hi Julian,

      We landed using the Flaps only in CONFIGuration 3 (26 degree flaps and 5 degree aileron droop on half the ailerons and 0/23 degree slats). The leading edge slats were locked out due to mechanical damage. The FLAPS were powered by the Yellow hydraulics system powered by engines 3 & 4.

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